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“There is now no condemnation for the ones in Christ Jesus.”
February 5, 2011, 2:22 pm
Filed under: 1A - Spiritual Notes, L Letter to Romans

I had a dialogue with a brother on facebook related to whether or not a follower of Christ can be condemned, e.g. due to learning to put off the flesh and putting on Christ. I believe the answer is yes and no. It depends. Pretty wishy washy, yes, I know. :). This also included a review of the text of Romans 8:1 and the textual difference from various manuscripts. The following blog was used to support keeping the added text used in the KJV translation, that condemnation can be shown to occur against Christians (http://av1611.com/kjbp/faq/holland_ro8_1.html). I did not think the author of the text in the blog, Dr. Thomas Holland’s, did a reasonable job to describe the differences in word usage in Scripture and left it open to condemning others, which I could never leave open to doing. Have I not had a clear conscience because of learning to see my flesh as dead, absolutely. But praise God for Jesus Christ who shows me the flesh for what it is, dead, and so to depend on Him who lives in me and is my life! So here is the word study and my conclusion. Blessings brothers and sisters. Here is the edited version from facebook. I wanted to provide me link of the review to Dr. Holland’s thoughts but the link does not allow me to provide comments, oh well.

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I have to say brother that while I understand the textual criticism involved and can accept that it interprets what follows, the author’s last two paragraphs does not hold very well. I did a word study and this is what I found. So this is where I am at with the whole matter. Open to how Christ changes my opinion, lol.

I looked up the passages and words the author of the blog used and he focuses on the translation’s use of the word “condemn” when the original has many different words that do not all mean the same thing, similar yes, but not the same.

The specific word “katakrima” for condemnation in Rom 8:1 is only found in Rom 5:16 and 18 (referring to Christ’s work on the cross) and refers to “the sentence pronounced.”

Another similar word “kataginosko” for blaming, refers to Paul in his blaming Peter for his bigotry in Galatians 2:11 and blaming of the conscience of a body of believers in 1 John 3:20-21.

Another variation of the word, “katadikazo” is used in James 5:6 which warns against condemning others.

Another variation of the word “katakrino” meaning “passing judgment” in Rom 2:1, 14:23 refers to self condemnation due to judging others or not respecting others.

The other references of this variation of the word, such as “katakrino” is for condemning the world such as at Sodom and Gomorrah and during the flood.

I guess what I am learning is that in Christ there is literally no condemnation, sin has been judged by Christ. And as we learn to walk by the life of Christ it is our heart that can condemn us when we do things after the flesh, not having a clear conscience. It is not Christ condemning us it is the flesh that does so, it is the world that does so, and it is the spiritual forces of evil that do so. Blaming by one brother or sister against another is shown only in the case of an apostle against another apostle and done with gentleness and respect. Blessings brother!

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Word meanings from “Vine’s Complete Expository Dictionary of Old and New Testament Words.”

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You make good point in differentiating subjective and objective condemnation. There is the fact that by the blood of Christ, we are no longer under condemnation for sin. Praise the Lord for that! But like Paul in the chapter just before 8:1, we can live in subjective condemnation because of the law of sin and death within our members (aka the condemning flesh, like you said).

A couple of years ago, I was helped very much to understand the last half of Romans 7 and the first part of Romans 8 in the context of subjective condemnation and the law of the Spirit of life. What helped me was Witness Lee’s explanation of the 4 laws mentioned here: the law of sin and death, the law of good, the law of the Spirit of life, and the outward law of God. Here’s a short summary of those four laws and the 3 lives that correspond to them:
http://online.recoveryversion.org/FootNotes.asp?FNtsID=3873

Refreshing post, btw. We don’t have to stay in condemnation!

Clark

Comment by Clark Russell




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